My first visit to JAXA was around November 2018. This visit led to the start of our joint research in 2020, and now we are officially commissioned by JAXA to conduct research and development.

Originally, Honda developed and kept refining its hydrogen-related technologies with the aim to realize carbon-free vehicles. One such hydrogen-related technology is our high differential pressure water electrolysis system, which electrolyzes water and produces hydrogen and oxygen. Using electricity produced by solar power generation for electrolysis, this system can produce hydrogen and oxygen using only sunlight and water.

Our circulative renewable energy system is a combination of the high differential pressure water electrolysis system and a fuel cell system. The fuel cell system produces electricity and water through a chemical reaction between hydrogen and oxygen. Then, the water produced by the fuel cell system is electrolyzed again to produce hydrogen and oxygen, achieving the energy cycle.

Honda's high differential pressure water electrolysis system is compact and lightweight because it uniquely does not require a compressor. In around 2018, when we were exploring other uses for this technology, someone mentioned “outer space.” We thought about it and said, “Let’s go talk to JAXA!” At Honda, we had always been thinking about how we can improve the global environment, so the idea of going to outer space didn’t sit well with us initially. But here we are now. Since then, a working group was formed to formally look into the challenges we can take on in the field of space technology, and we decided to launch the project.

I was there when the idea came up, and I thought, "This is wild!" At that time, I was only thinking about cars and other things we can do on the ground. The idea was so novel, that I had to take a breath to keep up.

By that time, our research and development of the water electrolysis system at JAXA was already ongoing. We believe that the only energy resources available on the Moon are sunlight and water, and we need to supply electricity and hydrogen to manned lunar outposts and rovers. We were attracted to Honda's technology, which can store hydrogen in a compact package.

In the meantime, JAXA was also researching fuel cells. In space development, "lightweight and compact” are vital. Our mission is to make fuel cells lightweight. Fuel cells have an energy density that is four to five times higher than that of currently used lithium-ion batteries, so in other words, they can deliver the same amount of energy in a much lighter and smaller package.

The cost of transporting something to the lunar surface is about 100 million yen per kilogram. For example, a lithium-ion battery weighs 4 tons, whereas a fuel cell with equivalent capacity weighs only 1 ton. That changes the transportation cost by tens of billions of yen. That is why fuel cells are more valuable in space.

Since our goal is to turn the Moon into an outpost for our explorations that last over an extended period of time, cost reduction is a major issue not only for space transportation, but also for the space activities to be conducted there. Since there are no resources on the Moon, we have no choice but to circulate and utilize everything. By circulating and generating energy where it is used, we can reduce costs and make our exploration sustainable.

In this sense, Honda's circulative renewable energy system will enable us to downsize the payload capacity and achieve circulative and continuous use of valuable resources. Honda’s system meets both of our key requirements in space. Therefore, Honda and JAXA have started a joint research project to verify its feasibility.

The first thing I did as the development leader was to determine which materials could be used. Honda has been developing fuel cells and water electrolysis technology for many years, so we have the basic technology, but we needed to clarify whether our existing technology could be applied in outer space. For example, in pure high-pressure oxygen, many things burn, so materials that we took for granted on Earth cannot be used. Since this is not a field we have been working in, it was difficult at first to find information sources.

There is no atmosphere in space. Because of that, temperatures cannot be defined until an object is touched. In terms of numbers and theory I could understand that moon nights are cold or that heat is not transferred, but I could never get a sense of this. The atmosphere does not moderate the temperature. This was an area where I had to make a big change in my thinking from what I knew through automobile development.

On Earth, heat can be exhausted into the atmosphere, but in space, heat can only be dissipated, so it is difficult to find a way to remove heat from the fuel cells.

Since there is no atmosphere on the Moon, the system needs to be airtight. This makes it impossible to do things that are common on Earth. This was a challenge and will probably continue to be a challenge in the future. That is the biggest difference.

I think that some difficulties and simplicities are reversed from Earth. On Earth, the atmosphere makes some things simple, but there are also areas that need to be considered more carefully because the earth’s atmosphere carries other things (heat or other gasses) away to all over the place. On the other hand, in space, not having an atmosphere makes some areas easy because things disappear forever once released, but some things must be tightly controlled. We realize that the challenges are completely different.

We also did not anticipate the impact of the noise during rocket launches. With transportation by rocket, in addition to vibration and load, sound is a serious factor. The roar during launch can damage some things. We were taken aback when shown an acoustic impact test.

A rocket’s sound pressure is about 10 times greater than that of an F1 engine. Sure, we can assume the load during the take-off, but it may be hard to imagine the impact of the launch sound.

I think unexpected issues will continue to come up. While challenges make me nervous as a project manager, they also interest me as an engineer. In a sense, technical challenges are welcome because they give us a competitive edge when we overcome them. The failures we find now are not a problem at all.

I am also an engineer at heart, so for me, research in new areas is more fun than difficult. It is interesting because my perspectives gets broadened, learning about aspects that I would not have noticed if I was only involved in automobile development.

There are things that we take for granted on Earth, but technologies and knowledge we amass while dealing with the ultimate inconveniences of space, will definitely be useful for the sustainability of Earth.

Fuel cell technology we are developing now is also being further advanced for applications in outer space. Since high durability is required, I believe our fuel cells can also be applied in a variety of industrial uses on Erath. We can expand the use of fuel cells beyond cars. By doing so, I believe we can change society for the better.

At JAXA, we also want to give back to people and contribute to humanity through space development. I believe that we share the same fundamentals and where we want to go.

Our current goal is to prove the basic technology of the circulative renewable energy system in a laboratory setting. After that, we will raise the maturity level of the technology in an environment closer to outer space.

Outer space, which I thought was only in comic books and TV shows, has become my job. It was a strange feeling at first, but now I too believe it is a natural course of action for people to go into space. Honda's vision is to expand the realm of human activity, to give “power” to people who do things, and to help people. Honda has the opportunity to aim for outer space, so it is now my job to implement it, so I am working to make it a reality, not a pipe dream.

First, we will work toward a lunar surface exploration mission, but we will not stop there. We will look beyond the future and keep honing our technologies to expand the realm of human activity.

Since the Apollo era, people have become comfortable with the idea that going to the Moon is possible, so outer space is not a world which is too far away. It’s only about 100km (62 miles) above us!

Yes. It is just that needing to go straight up makes it a little bit difficult. (laughter)

The problem is cost. In the past, going to outer space was a major national prestige project like the Apollo program, but in recent years, the number of instances of private sector space travel have been increasing. In that sense, I think we are in a great period of time to conduct our joint research.

The U.S. has already begun reusing rockets. If this becomes the norm and costs come down, it will be easier for the general public to go to space.

Like Honda, we at JAXA are also looking toward exactly the same direction in terms of expanding the realm of human activity. From a broader perspective, life originated in the oceans, spread to the earth, flew into the skies, and now lives in a space station. Going to the Moon is a natural progression. I think it is an instinct of human beings, or living things.

I think traveling to outer space will become a common thing for people in the 2030s or 2040s. So we have to start taking on challenges now to prepare for such a time. I believe developing such a mindset and human resources in this field is more important than developing technologies. Honda has a history of taking on new challenges, so I would like to continue our challenges together with JAXA.